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membership and nra leadership. nra leaders are very ideological and they are largely funded by the industry, whereas gun owners are just regular people who like hunting and like owning guns. what obama is trying to say, look, most gun owners would support these restrictions. they don't want crazy people to have easy access to what he's calling weapons of war, which is probably good terminology. the nra needs to recognize they are extremely vulnerable here. >> if you look at the membership of the nra, there's a notion it's these mom and pop hunters, but at the end of the day, there's a huge amount of corporate support. we looked at their tax returns, bloomberg business week did, we looked at that article, their revenue in 2010 was $227.8 million. fundraising, sales, advertising, and royalties were $115 million. there's a whole web, tiers of corporate giving dubbed the ring of freedom, and you have firearm manufacturers who are giving millions, if not tens of millions of dollars, to the nra, eric. >> they made a stat
membership and nra leadership. nra leaders are very ideological and they are largely funded by the industry, whereas gun owners are just regular people who like hunting and like owning guns. what obama is trying to say, look, most gun owners would support these restrictions. they don't want crazy people to have easy access to what he's calling weapons of war, which is probably good terminology. the nra needs to recognize they are extremely vulnerable here. >> if you look at the membership...
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the nra makes it seem like -- they fearmonger toward that idea but i think we need to not be offensive to those who have been killed and will be in the future by gun violence that can be -- and the nra leadership battles against even the most simple common sensical responses to this massive problem. >> and the white house certainly going to push. the president is going to talk about guns in his state of the union address next month. and my piece lays out as he does that, he can call for certain gun safety things. there's a lot that polls well, a lot that could arguably help deal with various problems. but the white house knows based on the polling that the president's going to have to talk about it as part of a balanced approach and cliche again today. and that he's going to have to explain in it a way that it doesn't seem like he's tramibling on the 2nd amendment. >> yeah. i actually agree with that, james. i think go ahead with gun control, go ahead with the things that make sense but in a way that's respectful. kudos for number two on the list, only use the word rape in condemnation
the nra makes it seem like -- they fearmonger toward that idea but i think we need to not be offensive to those who have been killed and will be in the future by gun violence that can be -- and the nra leadership battles against even the most simple common sensical responses to this massive problem. >> and the white house certainly going to push. the president is going to talk about guns in his state of the union address next month. and my piece lays out as he does that, he can call for...
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this country with respect to gun control. >> and -- >> totally agree with that. >> go ahead. >> the nra counts on shows like this show eventually using interest. you see -- shows like this have a major responsibility to focus on the carnage that occurs on our streets. look what's happening with the kids in chicago. >> one thing to keep in mind is that this conversation isn't going away because, you know, the president formed a task force. vice president biden is in charge of that task force. they've been given a deadline of january to present ideas to the president. the president gives his state of the union address in early february. and then it's off to the races and trying to get something done. so the idea that the president isn't going to push hard on doing something about gun safety, gun control, however you want to talk about it i think is a little bit ludicrous. julian and james, thanks very much. >> thank you. >> happy new year. >> stay with us. much more ahead. >> many new year. >> happy new year. in this country we say happy new year. >> ha, ha, ha, ha! safety, gun control, h
this country with respect to gun control. >> and -- >> totally agree with that. >> go ahead. >> the nra counts on shows like this show eventually using interest. you see -- shows like this have a major responsibility to focus on the carnage that occurs on our streets. look what's happening with the kids in chicago. >> one thing to keep in mind is that this conversation isn't going away because, you know, the president formed a task force. vice president biden is in...
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even nra members, 74% of nra members and 89% of all gun owners want background checks before anybody can get a gun, so the men and women in congress have to stiffen their backs, not be afraid of the organization the nra, because the members of the nra are better than the organization, and it's time for us to act finally once and for all. >> howard, your boss, mayor michael bloomberg, has been leading the charge on gun control throughout the year. he was on "meet the press" yesterday and had strong words calling on the president to exhibit leadership on the issue. i think there is a sense nationally that this time is different. we just talked to chris jansing on the ground in newtown, but that there is -- that i think for folks who have wanted to see reform on our nation's gun laws, that this could be an inflexion point. does the mayor share that feeling? >> he hopes so. you know, i may be alone in this, but i am just no longer comforted by comforting words. i feel like as the governor said, you know, we've become very good at doing these memorials after these events and then nothing
even nra members, 74% of nra members and 89% of all gun owners want background checks before anybody can get a gun, so the men and women in congress have to stiffen their backs, not be afraid of the organization the nra, because the members of the nra are better than the organization, and it's time for us to act finally once and for all. >> howard, your boss, mayor michael bloomberg, has been leading the charge on gun control throughout the year. he was on "meet the press"...
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according to the nra's president david keene there's been no contact from the white house to include them in this process. piers morgan has penned an op-ed for those who want to see him deported for his views on gun control saying although i love the country as a second home and one that has treated me incredibly well, i would as a concerned parent first seriously consider deporting myself. and actor charlie sheen is at it again, but this time he has company. on saturday sheen sent out this tweet to the mayor of l.a. who knows how to party. tweeted a picture of sheen and the mayor of l.a. at a rooftop bar in mexico and it was only a matter of time. "fifty shades of grey" is off to college. starting in january students at american university will learn about the "fifty shades" trilogy. that should be interesting. a live look now at capitol hill. the house and senate are both in session. this sunday evening they are taking care of last-minute legislative work and trying to reach a deal on the fiscal cliff. plus, could the nhl be any closer to reaching a deal in congress? they are back
according to the nra's president david keene there's been no contact from the white house to include them in this process. piers morgan has penned an op-ed for those who want to see him deported for his views on gun control saying although i love the country as a second home and one that has treated me incredibly well, i would as a concerned parent first seriously consider deporting myself. and actor charlie sheen is at it again, but this time he has company. on saturday sheen sent out this...
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prosecutor lead an nra effort for that program. look, this was not a press conference because will pierre refused to take questions from the assembled reporters. he was interrupted twice by protesters criticizing the nra and advocating -- >> there's a petitioned on the white house website calling for more semiautomatic gun control. >> i will do everything in my power as president to advance these efforts because if there's even one thing we can do as a country to protect our children, we have a responsibility to try it. >> that statement builds on the president's call for congressional action early next year. >> i will be putting forward very specific proposals. i will be talking about them in my state of the union and we will be working with interested members of congress to try and get something done. >> vice president joe biden is leading the push to draft those proposals, and yesterday he began that effort, meeting with law enforcement officials and cabinet members. i want to go right to you, michael eric dyson. you saw as much
prosecutor lead an nra effort for that program. look, this was not a press conference because will pierre refused to take questions from the assembled reporters. he was interrupted twice by protesters criticizing the nra and advocating -- >> there's a petitioned on the white house website calling for more semiautomatic gun control. >> i will do everything in my power as president to advance these efforts because if there's even one thing we can do as a country to protect our...
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let's look just briefly on what is on the nra's basic score card agenda. this is how they assess members, oppose closing the so-called terror gap. they oppose closing the gun show loophole. they support an amendment that makes it harder to trace guns specifically used in crimes that would be not law-abiding gun use. they would support amendments to carry guns on amtrak, national parks and bars and what i would call the notorious stand your ground legislation. do you think that agenda, if it has more exposure in this debate, i mean if the president read off those things in the state of the union, do you think that would drive a wedge between the average gun owner and the nra's national agenda? >> it would start a debate. look, it's not the job of reporters to carry one side of an argument. if the nra is making an argument and no one is making one against them, it has a consequence for the debate. what the gun control side has lacked for a long time is a powerful grassroots group that actually has the muscle and the money to force the conversation, to force
let's look just briefly on what is on the nra's basic score card agenda. this is how they assess members, oppose closing the so-called terror gap. they oppose closing the gun show loophole. they support an amendment that makes it harder to trace guns specifically used in crimes that would be not law-abiding gun use. they would support amendments to carry guns on amtrak, national parks and bars and what i would call the notorious stand your ground legislation. do you think that agenda, if it has...
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it's in line with what the nra said they hope will happen nationwide. if hearing the word posse conjures up the images of the old wild west. consider this, some districts want to see armed teachers in every school, as well. chairman of the utah shooting sport council just helped train some 200 teachers in handling concealed weapons and joins me live now from salt lake city. clark, good to see you, sir. >> thank you very much. good to be her. >> the idea of arming teachers, the head of the american teachers federation calls the idea, quote, irresponsible and dangerous. how do you make sure that an amateur gun user like most teachers would be, that they're able to handle guns safely in any circumstance? >> make no mistake, we're not talking about these folks doing tactical things inside a school against the shooter. we're encouraging them to institute the normal lockdown procedure which falls short when the shooter comes and crosses that threshold of a classroom. it doesn't take a lot of tactical training to produce otherwise discreetly maintained firearm
it's in line with what the nra said they hope will happen nationwide. if hearing the word posse conjures up the images of the old wild west. consider this, some districts want to see armed teachers in every school, as well. chairman of the utah shooting sport council just helped train some 200 teachers in handling concealed weapons and joins me live now from salt lake city. clark, good to see you, sir. >> thank you very much. good to be her. >> the idea of arming teachers, the head...
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it's time to stop being afraid of the nra. time to stop changing the subject when guns are brought up. you, democratic politicians, can run on common sense gun restrictions, and you can win. for the first time in decades, there is now a political price to be paid for gun extremism, and i have got an idea for your first commercial. did you happen to see wayne lapierre on "meet the press"? that does it for us on "the cycle." karen finney is in the chair for martin bashir and it is all yours. >> thanks, krystal. good afternoon. i'm karen finney in for martin bashir on this thursday, december 27th. the president is back in washington, the senate is working against the clock, and speaker boehner, yeah, he's m.i.a. >> no new negotiations are scheduled. >> congress has five days to strike a deal before the end of the year deadline. >> they're calling it the fiscal cliff. [ speaking foreign language ] >> john boehner seems to care more about keeping his speakership than about keeping the nation on firm financial footing. >> let's take
it's time to stop being afraid of the nra. time to stop changing the subject when guns are brought up. you, democratic politicians, can run on common sense gun restrictions, and you can win. for the first time in decades, there is now a political price to be paid for gun extremism, and i have got an idea for your first commercial. did you happen to see wayne lapierre on "meet the press"? that does it for us on "the cycle." karen finney is in the chair for martin bashir and...
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this is not just an issue of the nra and where the nra sits on issues. gun crime is down. violent crime is down. these mass shootings are up. what is the x factor here? is it the guns or is it something else? there is strong evidence that points to something else. >> i would add all three guns used in the shooting purchased legally. connecticut has some of the most strict gun laws in the country. >> they do. >> fred, you've polled for many years on this and many other topics. the numbers on gun control broadly not speaking the last two weeks but broadly suggest the country is -- would prefer less strictures rather than more to enforce what we have rather than more. we've seen the numbers change a little bit. is this an upward trend or not? >> i don't know. i think the jury is still out on this, chris. i think in terms of this, is this a tipping point moment, it is, but it all depends on what it is. is it a tipping point moment where the congress and the president moved in one direction? >> right. >> is it a tipping point moment from the nra in terms of its image with the p
this is not just an issue of the nra and where the nra sits on issues. gun crime is down. violent crime is down. these mass shootings are up. what is the x factor here? is it the guns or is it something else? there is strong evidence that points to something else. >> i would add all three guns used in the shooting purchased legally. connecticut has some of the most strict gun laws in the country. >> they do. >> fred, you've polled for many years on this and many other topics....
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the nra builds on that role. it's this notion of the individual american who protects himself, who provides for himself, who joins the nra and says, my guns are the bottom line. the reality is, that the people who pay the cost of our romance with guns, the fact that the united states is awash in guns are not the people out in rural arkansas or utah or nevada who are card carrying members of the nra. they're young, black men in the inner city. they're the ones who died from gun homicide and have much higher rates than young, white men. >> you wrote a brilliant piece after the movie theater shooting in colorado saying, in 2008 and 2009, gun homicide was the leading cause of death for young black men. they died from gun violence mainly at the hands of other black males at a rate of eight times that of other young white males. all tragedies justifiably spark horror. the nra is not the only meaningful obstacle to reform. unfortunately, violence like this in the black community just doesn't get as much attention, or in
the nra builds on that role. it's this notion of the individual american who protects himself, who provides for himself, who joins the nra and says, my guns are the bottom line. the reality is, that the people who pay the cost of our romance with guns, the fact that the united states is awash in guns are not the people out in rural arkansas or utah or nevada who are card carrying members of the nra. they're young, black men in the inner city. they're the ones who died from gun homicide and have...
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didn't come from the nra. what value does it have to have an armed police officer, a 50-year-old guy, maybe an ex-police officer, retired police officer, standing somewhere near the lobby of the main door of a high school in philly. would it have any value? >> well, here's the deal, chris. in many instances, as we saw in newtown, certainly, the person doesn't always come in the front door. and while in very specific situations, in certain schools, whether it's officers patrolling nearby or as a part of their regular duties coming into schools, this is not really a serious idea. the issue is less guns. and certainly, less semi-automatic weapons, rifles of this type. the issue is about the type of weapons that should be accessible and available to civilians. and that no one has made any legitimate argument or case as to why military-style, converted weapons, i'm not going to go through the splitting hairs argument about it's not really that, it's been converted to something else. it's a semi-automatic weapon of
didn't come from the nra. what value does it have to have an armed police officer, a 50-year-old guy, maybe an ex-police officer, retired police officer, standing somewhere near the lobby of the main door of a high school in philly. would it have any value? >> well, here's the deal, chris. in many instances, as we saw in newtown, certainly, the person doesn't always come in the front door. and while in very specific situations, in certain schools, whether it's officers patrolling nearby...
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you're not a supporter of nra? >> not at all. >> but you're saying -- >> my job is to make it safe for the marlboro students in my jurisdiction. i don't make state law, i don't make federal law. i don't support the nra, i want to get rid of assault rifles. i think we have to close the loopholes on gun control. that being said, our students need to be safe where they learn. what newtown showed us was existing security is not safe the people that rely on safety in our commune and they do an excellent job. the police department took a look at our protocol, and said that the only way to protect our students right now is to have a police officer present in the school. these are the same people we call if there is an active shooter event in 911. so instead of waiting the five minutes to get them there, they are present, they are law enforcement, they are professionals, they know how to handle themselves. the nra is using in as an excuse to circumvent the argument on gun control, and that's wrong. that's not what our inte
you're not a supporter of nra? >> not at all. >> but you're saying -- >> my job is to make it safe for the marlboro students in my jurisdiction. i don't make state law, i don't make federal law. i don't support the nra, i want to get rid of assault rifles. i think we have to close the loopholes on gun control. that being said, our students need to be safe where they learn. what newtown showed us was existing security is not safe the people that rely on safety in our commune...
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a lot of people waiting to see what the nra is going to say. that's going to wrap up this hour of jansing and company. i wish you and yours the measure iest holidays. tom ast picks up our coverage next with beau biden. ♪ don't know what i'd do ♪ i'd have nothing to prove [ male announcer ] zales is the diamond store. save 25 percent off an amazing selection storewide, now through monday. i got your campbell's chunky soup. mom? who's mom? i'm the giants mascot. the giants don't have a mascot! ohhh! eat up! new jammin jerk chicken soup has tasty pieces of chicken with rice and beans. hmmm. for giant hunger! thanks mom! see ya! whoaa...oops! mom? i'm ok. grandma? hi sweetie! she operates the head. [ male announcer ] campbell's chunky soup. it fills you up right. we've decided to we're all having such a she great year in the gulf, put aside our rivalry. 'cause all our states are great. and now is when the gulf gets even better. the beaches and waters couldn't be more beautiful. take a boat ride or just lay in the sun. enjoy the wildlife and nat
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he said this about the nra's proposal. let's watch. >> public wants guns out of the schools not in schools and they're not asking for a security official or someone else. i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not he have human being should own a gun. not every gun should be available at any time anywhere for anyone. >> i mentioned this before on the air because it meant a lot to me bobby kennedy was killed and it hit a lot of us in our hearts and i wrote a congressman. but it seems mayor nutter and gene what happens is everybody gets reactive. we all react, and then notice how wayne lapierre who is a brilliant professional. he waits a couple weeks. a couple weeks in now he will be the only one doing this full time. >> people who are interested in saying gun control laws have got to keep up the pressure, have got to keep up the focus and not do what you just said, not conform to this general pattern of
he said this about the nra's proposal. let's watch. >> public wants guns out of the schools not in schools and they're not asking for a security official or someone else. i don't think the nra is listening. i don't think that they understand. most americans would protect the second amendment rights and yet agree with the idea that not he have human being should own a gun. not every gun should be available at any time anywhere for anyone. >> i mentioned this before on the air because...
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the nra says that's what will clean our children safe. we'll talk to one former governor who took on that gun lobby. >> thank you and god bless america. you guys are the best. thank you so much. >> then details out today about mitt romney's not so enthusiastic approach to running for the white house and what it might say about the will challenges ahead for the gop. good afternoon. all that and more ahead. >>> first, lawmakers are down to the wire on avoiding the fiscal cliff. will they get a deal done before the end of the year, president obama is on vacation and so is house speaker john boehner, but here's what they said before they left. >> call me a hopeless optimist, but i actually still think we can get it done. >> of course, hope springs eternal, and i know we have it in us to come together and to do the right thing. >> for more on all this i want to bring in nbc's white house correspondent kristen welker who is traveling with the president in hawaii. she joins us now from honolulu. hey, kristen. the president and the speaker are st
the nra says that's what will clean our children safe. we'll talk to one former governor who took on that gun lobby. >> thank you and god bless america. you guys are the best. thank you so much. >> then details out today about mitt romney's not so enthusiastic approach to running for the white house and what it might say about the will challenges ahead for the gop. good afternoon. all that and more ahead. >>> first, lawmakers are down to the wire on avoiding the fiscal...
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and that's what i think -- that was the moral question to the nra. is this just the cost of doing business to you? are you willing to accept that we live in this kind of society where these kinds of horrific tragedies happen? and i think the whole nation stopped and waited to hear the response. and i think the answer is very disappointing because we can do better than this. you know, there are many countries. 23 of the richest industrial countries on earth except for us have 1/20 of our death rate from guns. this can be done. it's not that it can't be done. we can ban assault weapons, as senator feinstein is proposing, including the re weapon that was used in sandy hook, legally bought by the perpetrator's mother. that could have been banned. the large magazine rounds where you can fire off multiple rounds, that should have been done. background checks, 40% of guns are bought by people who don't have to go -- that's on the secondary market, they can avoid a background check. this is not necessary. we can do something like this. >> eloquently stated.
and that's what i think -- that was the moral question to the nra. is this just the cost of doing business to you? are you willing to accept that we live in this kind of society where these kinds of horrific tragedies happen? and i think the whole nation stopped and waited to hear the response. and i think the answer is very disappointing because we can do better than this. you know, there are many countries. 23 of the richest industrial countries on earth except for us have 1/20 of our death...
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ahead, the nra's chief -- the chief's plan. to arm teachers across the country is happening right now. aum over the country. we cannot let this happen. and the obamas reveal some secrets from behind the scenes, including the story behind the most shared photo of all time. stay with us. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty breathing, ask your doctor if including adva
ahead, the nra's chief -- the chief's plan. to arm teachers across the country is happening right now. aum over the country. we cannot let this happen. and the obamas reveal some secrets from behind the scenes, including the story behind the most shared photo of all time. stay with us. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair...
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we are putting a huge amount of pressure on congress, legislators, on the nra. you can go to the website, 1 million moms for gun control.org right now and sign a petition and people are asking for gun control laws that we have crashed the servers many, many times and we are optimistic that, you know, after not doing anything, after aurora and gabby giffords and virginia tech, we will get some action this time. >> in 2010, the brady center to prevent gun violence gave president obama a "f" rating. do you think that now is the time for the president to be able to -- to control this issue in a more positive direction, when i talk about control this issue, i mean the sentiment and the emotion that goes in to all americans responding to what we saw in newtown. >> you know, i don't think he has a choice with 80 million american moms coming at him. we have done nothing before and hasn't worked. i think the nra and frankly many congressmen laid out what they see for us in the country where the bad and good guys are armed and duke it out over our kids' heads. we won't al
we are putting a huge amount of pressure on congress, legislators, on the nra. you can go to the website, 1 million moms for gun control.org right now and sign a petition and people are asking for gun control laws that we have crashed the servers many, many times and we are optimistic that, you know, after not doing anything, after aurora and gabby giffords and virginia tech, we will get some action this time. >> in 2010, the brady center to prevent gun violence gave president obama a...
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there's a plug at the nra wheels. the less people fear that, politicians, political leaders, the more we engage in a conversation. maybe gun control wasn't the issue per se. background check or other issues. a broader conversation, does anyone need eight guns, ten guns, 12 guns, are we dealing with an army? they are cultural. you can change the culture as we have in other cases with drunk-driving and other issues. we have the conversation about whether we should have the conversation. it takes place in the wake of a tragedy. the question is when can we get beyond that and have conversations about guns. we'll get into that after this. but when i was in an accident... i was worried the health care system spoke a language all its own with unitedhealthcare, i got help that fit my life. so i never missed a beat. that's health in numbers. unitedhealthcare. who have used androgel 1%, there's big news. presenting androgel 1.62%. both are used to treat men with low testosterone. androgel 1.62% is from the makers of the number
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when you see some say the nra cannot be saved. there is no messaging that will work for them at this point. the politics are against them. that's where they become desperate just like the tobacco lobbyists did when they were up against it. in the end the politics is not going to work for them on this track. and they're going to change. >> so we've -- between newtown and christmas eve, chances that we are going to get meaningful gun control yes or no, richard you first and then you julian. >> yes. >> julian? >> yes. particularly if there is a concerted movement over many months. >> it was a yes or no. it was just a yes or no. >> but there's a key proviseo. there. every time we've done this, the nra counts on the clock. that the public will shift attention over time. the key here is the public todays focused. but that's the key contingency. >> i think the sad reality of the christmas eve incident is that we'll continue to see gun violence. sadly there will continue to be examples that we can point to to try to keep the pressure on.
when you see some say the nra cannot be saved. there is no messaging that will work for them at this point. the politics are against them. that's where they become desperate just like the tobacco lobbyists did when they were up against it. in the end the politics is not going to work for them on this track. and they're going to change. >> so we've -- between newtown and christmas eve, chances that we are going to get meaningful gun control yes or no, richard you first and then you julian....
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and what we're talking about here, if you actually take the nra's proposal to its logical conclusion, if we want to really protect all kids, we need to actually put an armed guard in every wing. maybe in front of every classroom. and that's why we've said that schools should be safe sanctuaries, not armed fortresses. are there some schools that need to have armed police officers? of course. but the nra's proposal is to put more guns in schools, not less guns in schools and to actually -- to actually make schools into armed fortresses as opposed to the safe sanctuaries to the learning conditions. >> mr. lapierre said though signs that say gun free zone around schools invite criminals to come on to schools. what's your response to that? >> you know something? we have had 34,000 children who have been harmed in gun incidents all throughout the country every single year. there's over 5,000 kids who have been killed by armed -- or by gun incidents. there is a time and place in this country where we need to deal with gun violence. so is mr. la pierre saying throughout the country he's going
and what we're talking about here, if you actually take the nra's proposal to its logical conclusion, if we want to really protect all kids, we need to actually put an armed guard in every wing. maybe in front of every classroom. and that's why we've said that schools should be safe sanctuaries, not armed fortresses. are there some schools that need to have armed police officers? of course. but the nra's proposal is to put more guns in schools, not less guns in schools and to actually -- to...
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sibolt, are you comfortable with what the nra put forward today? >> absolutely. more guns equals less crime. if we don't arm our teachers, if we don't have guards at the schools, there's no question about it that this is going to happen again. but at least the teachers have a fighting chance. at least they have a fighting chance to save those little kids. >> i don't want to read into this. do i understand your view that it would be a requirement for teachers? what if i'm a teacher who doesn't want to carry a firearm. i'm not proficient and i want nothing to do with guns. >> i don't want my kid in your class then. my kid is in danger. i'll send my kid to another school where the teacher is willing. >> so to a young person in school today maybe pursuing a career in college to school young people, they would also need to be trained and comfortable with the idea of carrying a weapon? >> unfortunately, this is the world we live in. >> one last thing, daefd. by that logic, why not arm the students as well? >> because the students are children. >> a high school? an 18-y
sibolt, are you comfortable with what the nra put forward today? >> absolutely. more guns equals less crime. if we don't arm our teachers, if we don't have guards at the schools, there's no question about it that this is going to happen again. but at least the teachers have a fighting chance. at least they have a fighting chance to save those little kids. >> i don't want to read into this. do i understand your view that it would be a requirement for teachers? what if i'm a teacher...
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when the nra is throwing around all sorts of fake notions that are in the fake dialogue. no one is saying that you can stop everyone of these things. how hard do you you want to make it? the risk of the gun in the home is greater than the benefit. as the owner of the gun in connecticut found out when his son got his hands on it. and the denaccidents happen in homes with guns. how hard is that to find out. >> go figure. the other issue today is that looking around the web, it is actually easier to go online and purchase a 100 round clip high capacity magazine than it is to renew my driver's license in florida. if you transfer $10,000 of your money, it triggers your bank that goes to the federal government. but you can go online and with free holiday shipping purchase a high capacity magazine. even the law enforcement in the communities have no way of know ing a large number of weapons, perhaps a bullet proof vest. that might send off a few alarms. making it harder to sexercise te right to vote. we should think that people are more responsible owning a gun than casting a ba
when the nra is throwing around all sorts of fake notions that are in the fake dialogue. no one is saying that you can stop everyone of these things. how hard do you you want to make it? the risk of the gun in the home is greater than the benefit. as the owner of the gun in connecticut found out when his son got his hands on it. and the denaccidents happen in homes with guns. how hard is that to find out. >> go figure. the other issue today is that looking around the web, it is actually...
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if past is prologue, where is the nra's next move going forward? >> well, you know, i think that's a good question because past may not be prologue here. the past was that the obama administration saw absolutely no chance of getting this flew congress. president obama when he campaigned for his first term, said he would like to look at reveezing the assault weapons ban. the white house sent some gentle signal early on they might try to do that, and it was instantly clear that they backed away from it. the mere prospect of president obama's being elected caused a huge run on ammunition, police departments were almost running out of it. now many democrats think the situation is different because of newtown and the other mass shootings this year, so i guess we're going to find out whether past is prologue. things have -- things may have changed. we're going to have to see how much they have. >> senators kay bailey hutchison and mark warren yesterday segment nauling their willing tons talk about this, and most likely the conversation leading itself to
if past is prologue, where is the nra's next move going forward? >> well, you know, i think that's a good question because past may not be prologue here. the past was that the obama administration saw absolutely no chance of getting this flew congress. president obama when he campaigned for his first term, said he would like to look at reveezing the assault weapons ban. the white house sent some gentle signal early on they might try to do that, and it was instantly clear that they backed...
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fox news reports that the nra is expected to push back soon. they'll hold a news conference on friday. and republican governors still aren't convinced that guns are the problem. governor jan brewer says quote, i'm not sure additional gun control is something that needs to be addressed. i don't know how we get our arms around it. don't know how to get your arms around it? how about disarming those who shouldn't have weapons? and virginia governor bob mcdonald seems to think there are many solutions to be pursued. but gun control. >> could you imagine ever supporting a ban to limit the sale of assault rifles and clips to private citizens? >> well, i think we ought to look at a number of things -- >> are you hoping? >> i don't think that's the first place you look. because first of all we don't have all the facts. >> we don't have all the facts. but we have the facts that matter. 27 people are dead. and we should do everything we can to prevent it from happening again. joining me now is congresswoman diana degette, democrat from colorado. and form
fox news reports that the nra is expected to push back soon. they'll hold a news conference on friday. and republican governors still aren't convinced that guns are the problem. governor jan brewer says quote, i'm not sure additional gun control is something that needs to be addressed. i don't know how we get our arms around it. don't know how to get your arms around it? how about disarming those who shouldn't have weapons? and virginia governor bob mcdonald seems to think there are many...
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colin, a question, are you a nra member? not to put on the spot. >> i am, i'm a lifetime member. >> do you have high capacity clips? >> i do not. do you see the need to restrict those? >> it's on the edge of what is supposed to be allowed. this is relatively close to it. there's reaches that i think a lot of people are going to talk about. it's possible that a high capacity magazine restriction could be done in a way that is constitutional, and i'm not sure that frankly it's going to be that useful, that effective. i do not think that those are the solutions that will stop the epidemic of violence, it's right at the edge of what is possible. >> you eluded to this before the break, politically, there may not be the will. fact of the matter is there could very well not be the will two months from now in the halls of congress. what are you hearing about this as the tragedy becomes more of a memory to a lot of folks? >> well, i mean, everyone of course, is very upset about this, and thinks that there needs to be a conversation,
colin, a question, are you a nra member? not to put on the spot. >> i am, i'm a lifetime member. >> do you have high capacity clips? >> i do not. do you see the need to restrict those? >> it's on the edge of what is supposed to be allowed. this is relatively close to it. there's reaches that i think a lot of people are going to talk about. it's possible that a high capacity magazine restriction could be done in a way that is constitutional, and i'm not sure that frankly...
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the gun rights activists and the nra don't stop talking about it. they regain the traction they had momentarily lost. there is still hope for that issue, but the president really needs to move on that in january wile also remembering that the first three priorities are the economy, the economy, and the economy. >> how -- i think part of the sad reality is there will continue to be gun violence between now and the time that any legislation is proposed, but how do we keep the pressure on, and again i think this question of getting something meaningful done because as dana pointed out, we know the nra isn't stopping. they are knocking on doors and making phone calls. how do we make sure something doesn't get watered down in the enand we get something meaningful? >> the key thing is to remember that the president has the bully pulpit and there are 535 people on capitol hill who can do something by sending a bill to the president that he can sign into law, but none of that is going to happen unless the anger that was there in the immediate hours and days
the gun rights activists and the nra don't stop talking about it. they regain the traction they had momentarily lost. there is still hope for that issue, but the president really needs to move on that in january wile also remembering that the first three priorities are the economy, the economy, and the economy. >> how -- i think part of the sad reality is there will continue to be gun violence between now and the time that any legislation is proposed, but how do we keep the pressure on,...
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. >> don't you sfeek for the nra. you don't work for the nra and they don't pay you? >> i'm an independent consultant for the nra designed to focus on school safety. that is my mission. now, what i will say in terms of further gun control legislation is that that is the wrong part of the debate. i think the focus should be on school safety. you can have bans on assault weapons or whatever weapons you wish, and it's not going to protect from a violent person. it's going to take someone who has security in the school. timothy mcveigh used fertilizer as his weapon. so let's not focus on the weapon as much as our response capability and safety of the children. that's simply my responsibility, and that's what i'm going to do and we're going to take the best experts in across the country to give these options to the schools. >> without speaking for the nra, do you personally think that there is any place for further restrictions on guns, particularly these high capacity guns? >> that's a debate that will take place. what i'm saying is it's not the solution. i want to look f
. >> don't you sfeek for the nra. you don't work for the nra and they don't pay you? >> i'm an independent consultant for the nra designed to focus on school safety. that is my mission. now, what i will say in terms of further gun control legislation is that that is the wrong part of the debate. i think the focus should be on school safety. you can have bans on assault weapons or whatever weapons you wish, and it's not going to protect from a violent person. it's going to take...
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i am the nra, okay? i am the nra. and my daddy was nra, and my granddaddy was the nra, and it's about my right to have a shotgun in my house, in the back of my truck, to go hunting, to protect my family, to let anybody know if they come to my castle, they're not going to leave in the middle of the night, if they break into my house, i'm going to take my gun and i'm going to kill them. and that's my right. it ain't got anything to do with assault weapons or these magazine clips that allow you to spray down 20 young children or people in malls or people in movie theaters. that is not the nra of my friends and church members in northwest florida. that is not the nra that they know. it is not the nra of survivalists or people who believe the federal government is coming to kick down their door and, you know, and seize all their property. >> you heard my father on the set yesterday after a day of hunting who said yeah, fine. give me a deep psychological examination, whatever. i don't need an assault weapon. it's not so har
i am the nra, okay? i am the nra. and my daddy was nra, and my granddaddy was the nra, and it's about my right to have a shotgun in my house, in the back of my truck, to go hunting, to protect my family, to let anybody know if they come to my castle, they're not going to leave in the middle of the night, if they break into my house, i'm going to take my gun and i'm going to kill them. and that's my right. it ain't got anything to do with assault weapons or these magazine clips that allow you to...
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. >> the nra says it's just not going to work. it didn't work before. it's not going to work now. >> you know, my response is, something has to work. you know, it is not enough for us to say, this is too hard, so we're not going to try. so what i intend to do is i will call all the stakeholders together. i will meet with the republicans. i will meet with democrats. i will talk to anybody. i think there are a vast majority of responsible gun owners out there who recognize that we can't have a situation in which somebody with severe psychological problems is able to get the kind of high-capacity weapons that this individual in newtown obtained. and gunned down our kids. and yes, it's going to be hard. >> should we have an armed guard at every school in the country? that's what the nra believes, they told me last week, that could work. >> i'm not going to prejudge the recommendations that are given to me. i am skeptical that the only answer is putting more guns in schools. and i think the vast majority of the american people are skeptical that that somehow
. >> the nra says it's just not going to work. it didn't work before. it's not going to work now. >> you know, my response is, something has to work. you know, it is not enough for us to say, this is too hard, so we're not going to try. so what i intend to do is i will call all the stakeholders together. i will meet with the republicans. i will meet with democrats. i will talk to anybody. i think there are a vast majority of responsible gun owners out there who recognize that we...
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through congress. >> right. >> the president doesn't just decide these things. >> there are a lot of nra endorsed members of congress. >> right. democrats and republicans. >> right. >> we'll be back. trivia time. we asked education secretary arne duncan recently suggested he was more likely to take up what profession than becoming secretary of state? the answer was stripping. that is right. stripping. if you have a political trivia question, it won't be better than that one, but e-mail us at daily rundown@msnbc.com and we will be right back. >>> let's bring back our gaggle. okay. we're doing lightning round. david, deal or no deal. we are now 14ish hours away from the cliff. do we get a deal or not? >> put on your parachute. i think we're going over the cliff. they're just too far apart on too many issues and time is running out. maybe in the next few days after that we could see something but i think we're going over tonight. >> you are assuming i don't wear a parachute. >> yes, no, who knows? i think yes but not tonight. i think in the next couple days. >> a deal but not before the dea
through congress. >> right. >> the president doesn't just decide these things. >> there are a lot of nra endorsed members of congress. >> right. democrats and republicans. >> right. >> we'll be back. trivia time. we asked education secretary arne duncan recently suggested he was more likely to take up what profession than becoming secretary of state? the answer was stripping. that is right. stripping. if you have a political trivia question, it won't be...
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the nra refused to take questions during a media statement last week, but today the ceo of the nra is responding to critics on "meet the press" after calling for armed police officers to be posted at every school in the u.s. >> there have been gass where armed guards have not prevented this kind of massacre and carna carnage. you would concede that point, wouldn't you? >> i would say if i'm a mom or dad dropping my child off at school i'd feel a whole lot safer with these great men and women on police forces -- >> you have to concede it may not work. >> nothing is perfect, david. >> joining me now andy sullivan and contributing editor for "newsweek" and the daily beast, eleanor clift. welcome to both of you. >> thank you. >> eleanor, you saw that exchange with the nra ceo wayne lapierre not conceding anything. how tough is this going to be for president obama to get gun-control legislation passed in congress and will that happen? >> it's going to be tough but it can happen. you know, it took ten years between the attempt on president reagan's life in 1980, more than ten years, for the
the nra refused to take questions during a media statement last week, but today the ceo of the nra is responding to critics on "meet the press" after calling for armed police officers to be posted at every school in the u.s. >> there have been gass where armed guards have not prevented this kind of massacre and carna carnage. you would concede that point, wouldn't you? >> i would say if i'm a mom or dad dropping my child off at school i'd feel a whole lot safer with these...
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what's the case that the nra is making right now? >> well, look, you know, wane la pierre is the chief executive officer. he is the public face of the national rifle association. going on nbc's "meet the press" this morning, he made the point again and again that he made back on friday at that press conference. that his organization will oppose legislation at adding new restrictions to the sale of weapons or the sale of those high capacity ammunition magazines, and he had a lot to say again about who he thinks is to blame. have a listen. >> look, i know there's a media machine in this country that wants to blame guns every time something happens. i know there's an anti-second amendment industry in this town. i know there are political -- for 20 years they always try to say it's because americans own guns. i'm telling you what i think will make people safe. what every mom and dad will make them feel better when they drop their kid off at school in january is if we have a police officer in that school, a good guy, that if some horrible
what's the case that the nra is making right now? >> well, look, you know, wane la pierre is the chief executive officer. he is the public face of the national rifle association. going on nbc's "meet the press" this morning, he made the point again and again that he made back on friday at that press conference. that his organization will oppose legislation at adding new restrictions to the sale of weapons or the sale of those high capacity ammunition magazines, and he had a lot...
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the nra is one example. once upon a time, we were against cigarette companies and tobacco companies to do the right thing. what we're experiencing right now, is the same thing we're going to continue to experience until we get serious about the way we're being governed and who's governing us. >> thank you. >>> their job was to make people laugh, but not these days. how a connecticut morning radio show has become a way for listeners to heal. powerful words coming up. a res, try running four. fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. [ male announcer ] when diarrhea hits, kaopectate stops it fast. powerful liquid relief speeds to the source. fast. [ male announcer ] stop the uh-oh fast with kaopectate. >>> a morning show usually sounds like a fraternity show. after the sandy hoo
the nra is one example. once upon a time, we were against cigarette companies and tobacco companies to do the right thing. what we're experiencing right now, is the same thing we're going to continue to experience until we get serious about the way we're being governed and who's governing us. >> thank you. >>> their job was to make people laugh, but not these days. how a connecticut morning radio show has become a way for listeners to heal. powerful words coming up. a res, try...
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the nra is one example. once upon a time, we were against cigarette companies and tobacco companies to do the right thing. what we're experiencing right now, is the same thing we're going to continue to experience until we get serious about the way we're being governed and who's governing us. >> thank you. >>> their job was to make people laugh, but not these days. how a connecticut morning radio show has become a way for listeners to heal. powerful words coming up. at usaa, we know military life is different. we've been there. that's why every bit of financial advice we offer is geared specifically to current and former military members and their families. [ laughs ] dad! dad! [ applause ] ♪ [ male announcer ] life brings obstacles. usaa brings advice. call or visit us online. we're ready to help. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our busine
the nra is one example. once upon a time, we were against cigarette companies and tobacco companies to do the right thing. what we're experiencing right now, is the same thing we're going to continue to experience until we get serious about the way we're being governed and who's governing us. >> thank you. >>> their job was to make people laugh, but not these days. how a connecticut morning radio show has become a way for listeners to heal. powerful words coming up. at usaa, we...
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the nra is one example. once upon a time, we were against cigarette companies and tobacco companies to do the right thing. what we're experiencing right now, is the same thing we're going to continue to experience until we get serious about the way we're being governed and who's actually governing us. >> l.z. granderson and anna navarro, thank you. >>> their job was to make people laugh, but not these days. how a connecticut morning radio show has become a way for listeners to heal. powerful words coming up. >>> connecticut's number one fm radio show usually sounds like a fraternity show. after the sandy hook shooting, the two radio hosts got serious and started taking calls from people trying to deal with the tragedy. >> we like to call it a town hall meeting held in a frat house. friday was strange. we went from in the morning doing one of the most happy, upbeat, fun shows of the year. >> next year's going to be even better. >> to in the afternoon doing the saddest show of our careers. >> he was one of the
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just need the federal government to get out of our way and help us rather than be in the pocket of the nra. you know, and i just want to say when i was a state senator i pushed very hard for sunday hunting. i support hunters. hunters need to know that this is all we want. we just want the assault weapon ban, the ban of the magazines with large clips and we want better handgun registration and we want to eliminate these loopholes that terrorists and mental patients can get guns. these gun shows, 40% of the guns are bought at gun shows. >> mayor finch, how many guns have you got today? >> over 300 for the first three days and about a hundred every day so far that we've been doing it is our average and we still need donors to donate so the average. we need donors to donate so we can have more money to buy more guns and we need people to turn in weapons. every saturday we will be doing ilt. >> do you destroy the guns? >> we will be making the guns to jewelry and then sell that to get more money, and then we will bury some of the guns to demonstrate our effort to make the streets safer. >> mayo
just need the federal government to get out of our way and help us rather than be in the pocket of the nra. you know, and i just want to say when i was a state senator i pushed very hard for sunday hunting. i support hunters. hunters need to know that this is all we want. we just want the assault weapon ban, the ban of the magazines with large clips and we want better handgun registration and we want to eliminate these loopholes that terrorists and mental patients can get guns. these gun shows,...
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nra president david keene was on cbs "face the nation. quths "i want you to listen. >> the first thing we have to do is protect the kids. we're willing to debate the whole question of these semiautomatic so-called assault weapons. >> you are no. >> we debaded it before. we had an assault weapons ban for ten years. we had what senator feinstein is suggesting. it was allowed to expire. the fbi, the justice department and others who studied it said it made no difference. if we're looking at things that are effective, let's talk about them. but first let's talk about protecting our kids. >> ken, don't go anywhere, we'll get your answer to what he had to say after this quick break. >> okay, don. you need a little♪ ♪ ooh baby, can i do for you today? ♪ [ female announcer ] need help keeping your digestive balance? align can help. only align has bifantis, a patented probiotic that naturally helps maintain your digestive balance. try align to help retain a balanced digestive system. try t #1 gastroenterologist recommended probiotic. align.
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all of this coming after the nra called for armed guards at every school and on msnbc and the past hour, the head of the american federation of teachers disagreed with such policies. >> i don't want to be cynical about this, but what we really need is actually less guns in schools, not more guns in schools. we have had police officers in schools and we have had met call detectors in schools but police officers are or armed guards did not stop the shooting in virginia tech. it did not stop the shooting in columbine. >> what does your gut tell you? a good idea for teachers to carry a concealed weapon at school? go to facebook.com/newsnation to vote. that does it for this edition. i'm craig melvin. we' seal you back here tomorrow but "the cycle" is up next. ese add up to 100 calories? your world. ♪ [ whispers ] real bacon... creamy cheese... 100 calories... [ chef ] ma'am [ male announcer ] progresso. you gotta taste this soup. i need you. i feel so alone. but you're not alone. i knew you'd come. like i could stay away. you know i can't do this without you. you'll never have to. you're a
all of this coming after the nra called for armed guards at every school and on msnbc and the past hour, the head of the american federation of teachers disagreed with such policies. >> i don't want to be cynical about this, but what we really need is actually less guns in schools, not more guns in schools. we have had police officers in schools and we have had met call detectors in schools but police officers are or armed guards did not stop the shooting in virginia tech. it did not stop...
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host: have you ever been a member of the nra? caller: no, never been a member of the nra. host: from our facebook page, jess says -- jeff says -- nicholas, what kind of gun do you have? caller: i have two fire armas, an ak-47, and an ar-15 bought as recently as yesterday. host: why did you buy one yesterday? caller: i have wanted one for some time but just didn't. in anticipation of a ban, i made the decision to go out and purchase one. that being said, i want to say i am in favor of huge increases in gun-control law. i think one of the things that is most disturbing to me is to hear fear mongering on both sides of the conversation whether it is coming from anti- gun or pro-gun individuals. what i hear from the pro-gun individuals is that the way to combat crime is to throw more guns at it. i could not possibly disagree more. i think there are some people who should not have guns, definitely should not have guns, this individual involved in the sandy hook tragedy. there are people who should not have the right to. i am in favor of have the background checks. whether the mo
host: have you ever been a member of the nra? caller: no, never been a member of the nra. host: from our facebook page, jess says -- jeff says -- nicholas, what kind of gun do you have? caller: i have two fire armas, an ak-47, and an ar-15 bought as recently as yesterday. host: why did you buy one yesterday? caller: i have wanted one for some time but just didn't. in anticipation of a ban, i made the decision to go out and purchase one. that being said, i want to say i am in favor of huge...
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we are the nra and the and are a. nra. host: those of the words of senator joe manchin who is a gun advocate. we're taking your calls and comments -- will it be a bitter fight ahead? we go to the democrats' line from macon, georgia. caller: how many children are we going to lose to guns before something is done? i remember during the 08 election, there were people around the president of the united states with assault rifles. we put people in schools with the guns, what happens if there in the restroom and somebody breaks and from the front? how are they going to protect the children? how many children do we have to lose? host: thanks for the call -- let me share with you this photograph from "the new york daily news." a handful of students tried to flee and lanza shot teem. some of the other fallen students are in the photograph. because of the teacher process protection, most of her students survived a car. -- survived a the horror. asheville, north carolina, republican line. caller: i would like to say one thing and i t
we are the nra and the and are a. nra. host: those of the words of senator joe manchin who is a gun advocate. we're taking your calls and comments -- will it be a bitter fight ahead? we go to the democrats' line from macon, georgia. caller: how many children are we going to lose to guns before something is done? i remember during the 08 election, there were people around the president of the united states with assault rifles. we put people in schools with the guns, what happens if there in the...